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ti dobiš odlomek iz knjige - dolg približno eno četrtino a4 formata in pol ti moraš povedat kratek povzetek odlomka, pa kje približno v knjigi je to (al bolj na začetku al bolj na koncu) in pol te profesor / ca vpraša še kaj v zvezi s tem odlomkom ... recimo

- odnos med Alison in Jimmyjem / Cliff - Jimmy / Alison - Cliff
- kakšen odnos ima Alison z družino
- zakaj starši niso dovolili poroke
- predstavitev Helene
- zakaj sta se Alison in Jimmy poročila
- zakaj ni šla Alison na pogreb od mrs Tanner
- ...

pač lahko te vpraša karkoli iz knjige ... če dobro poznaš te odnose in osebe in posamezne dogodke, pol ni težko (mi smo bili sprašani za oceno na tak način). če se ne motim, ni razen odlomka nobenih vprašanj in podvprašanj ... sploh pa bomo to eni vidli jutr :( :?


za stran pa vpiš v google look back in anger in dobiš ogromno tega ven ... če s eti seveda da brat vse te povzetke
Nadine
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a pri osnovnem nivoju tud tko podrobno sprašujejo o knjigah?
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mene je vprašou zkwa je bla alison tok vesela d ji je helena pomagala pa sm mogla o tem pač d rab usak človk podporo pa prjatle pa bla bla bla pa d je tut alison rabla eno žensko kr pač cliff sj ji je pomagu in use sam je biu tip pa tipi ne razumejo usega zmer... pol me je pa še kwa si mislm o tem d sta se helena pa jimmy naprej tok sovražla pol sta bla pa skp.. sm pa spet krneki bluzila
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ojoj jst mam v četrtek matematiko pa me je tok strah ker se nisem še nič učila :( upam da mi bo sfolgal v 2 dneh se use napiflat :? kok ste se pa ve ke učile? tiste ki ste že imele matematiko? kok časa vm je vzel?
[vanessa]
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ooo nice.. js niti knjige nism prebrala tko da se mi še sanja ne kje bi se lahko kak odlomek nahaju :roll:
js mam še pou matematike za predelat, ustni pa mam ju3 navsezgodaj :D samo me to še najmanj skrbi.. bolj kritična je slova :roll:
Everything is okay in the end.. If it's not okay then it's not the end.
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Če ma katera kej za anglo kar se tiče: nations and traditions (english festivals), time (lack of time, planning) al pa people with special needs...nej mi prosm pošle zs. Hvala
~NIA~
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ŽuŽa napisal/-a:Če ma katera kej za anglo kar se tiče: nations and traditions (english festivals), time (lack of time, planning) al pa people with special needs...nej mi prosm pošle zs. Hvala


a je to na višjem (reč da ja!)
~NIA~
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[vanessa] napisal/-a:Pozna kdo slučajno stran kjer bi bla dokaj podrobna obnova knjige Look back in anger? Lih tolko da vem kdaj se je kej dogajalo..
Kko pa zgledajo vprašanja v zvezi s knjigami?


JIMMY PORTER:
- about 25 years old
- graduate from red-brick university
- sweet stall owner
- tall,thin, wearing tweed jacket and flannel's ŕ middle class
- working class speach
- incites pity when he describes his father's death
- his way of speaking is ironic, offensive, affectionate
- behaves chauvinistically towards Alison
- self-centred young man
- feels frustrated each time he compares himself to his father
- his mother played important role in shaping his adult personality ŕ cause his difficulty in accepting and getting along with women
- Alison's mother despise him
- He's sensitive when he's speaking about his life, when Mrs. Tanner's dying
- He can not tolerate Alison when she takes a stance against him

Jimmy is a young man of the working class who is at war with himself and society. He is highly intelligent non-achiever who sells sweets on a stall in a local market. He feels that no one wants what he has got to offer.
There is a boiling resentment inside of him. However, all his bitterness, hysteria and cruelty seem to be only cry for recognition. He makes the lives of those he cherishes impossible.
Jimmy ridicules many aspects of British society, such as the upper class behaviour, the church, the bishops and the American age.
Jimmy’s anger is linked to his own past, 12 months when he was watching his father dying. He was only a small, frightened boy at the age of 10 who spent hours in the tiny bedroom at the beside of his dying father. The death of his father had a very strong impact on him. He felt the bitterness and learnt about helplessness, loss and betrayal.
Jimmy torments Allison because he can not forgive that she comes from upper-middle class and he from lower-middle class. He is verbally attacking his wife and he is trying to get her down on her knees, but she is unable to express her emotions. By attacking her Jimmy destroys what he actually treasures and Allison leaves him. He immediately starts life with Helena. His life with Helena brings up the same pattern.

ALISON PORTER:
- about 25 years old
- housewife
- tall,slim,dark; face long and delicate
- wearing expensive skirt ŕ indicates her wealthy family ; Jimmy's shirt ŕ dependence on him,break away from her family
- generally polite
- self controled
- willing to help (Jimmy& Cliff)
- she feels she can not trust Himmy
- doesn't communicate directly ŕ not to hurt other people's feelings
- doesn't defend on herself from Jimmy's attacks
- in the end of the book she breaks down ŕ she suffered a lot by being away from Jimmy and losing their child
- reserved,quiet,not used to express emotions

Allison is Jimmy’s very patient wife who completely humiliates herself as she was piece of garbage. She comes from upper-middle class. Like many people from British upper class, Allison is not used to expressing emotions and she is extremely reserved.
The painful experience of the miscarriage makes her understand what suffering means and gives her time to think about her relationship with Jimmy.

CLIFF LEWIS:
- about 25 years old
- self taught
- helps Jimmy on the market stall
- short,dark,big-boned
- wearing pullower and creased trousers (lazy)
- probably inlove with Alison
- way of speaking ŕ working class
- he can be ironical (comments of what he has been reading)
- considerate young man; usually puts other people before himself
- he hates Helena (might be based on isues of solid class)
- underlines one of the important themes in play- enourmous gap between working class and midlle –class ways of behaviour
- talkative- prefers to be a good listener
- considerate to Alison, he advises her about relationship with Jimmy

Cliff is simple and kind person. He is Allison’s real friend who is trying to protect her from Jimmy’s anger. Through his kindness he supports Allison in the worst moments. He describes himself as “No man’s – land” between Jimmy and Allison.
Cliff works with Jimmy on the sweet stall. He is “an uneducated peasant” (peznt) according to Jimmy’s description. He is helpless against Jimmy’s rhetorical fury.



HELENA CHARLES:

- about 25 years old
- an actress, career woman
- upper class
- sure about her identity
- doesn't allow Jimmy to get close enough to be able to attack her values
- inlove with Jimmy
- manages to defend herself from Jimmy's attacks
- takes Alison's place when she leaves
- less infatuated and can therefore behave more detachledy

Helena is Allison’s friend, a very proper middle-class woman. She is an actress who comes to stay with the Porters while she performs in a play at the local theatre. Jimmy has long despised her, as he considers her a member of a Establishment.
Helena has sent a telegram to Allison’s father asking him to take Allison home. It seemed that she was worried about Allison, but that wasn’t true, because when Allison left, she seduces Jimmy. When Allison, having lost her baby, returns to the flat, Helena realizes that her affair with Jimmy was wrong and she leaves.

COLONEL REDFERN:

- Alison's father
- About 40-50 years old
- Retired
- Upper-class speach
- Served in British Imperial Army in India
- Dwells on the past
- Tries to understand his daughter's way of living
He even takes Jimmy's side against Alison when he accuses her of liking ''to sit on the fence''
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~NIA~ napisal/-a:
ŽuŽa napisal/-a:Če ma katera kej za anglo kar se tiče: nations and traditions (english festivals), time (lack of time, planning) al pa people with special needs...nej mi prosm pošle zs. Hvala


a je to na višjem (reč da ja!)


Em ne na osnovnem mamo mi to. :?
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love18 napisal/-a:ojoj jst mam v četrtek matematiko pa me je tok strah ker se nisem še nič učila :( upam da mi bo sfolgal v 2 dneh se use napiflat :? kok ste se pa ve ke učile? tiste ki ste že imele matematiko? kok časa vm je vzel?


da te potolažm jz mam tut u četrtek pa se začnem dons učit :D sicr se mi zdi d že tko dost vem sam treba se usest pa mau uprašanja prečekerat... jutr mam pa slovo pa me kr mau panika grab... bluzit bo treba na velko pa pomagala bo profa pa una zravn :) so rekl eni k so že mel d je ta profa ful pomagala k ma tut ns sm zdj za uno u komisiji pa nwem.. no upam d bo kj :)
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Mene je tok strah ustnih. Sam slovo znam, druzga pa cist nic. Zdej se neki mato ucim pa mi je vse kr neki. V cetrtek mam ze anglo, pa nimam pojma kaj naj se sploh ucim. :?

Iz kje se ve anglo ucite?
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ah jaz mam ju3 strokovni predmet....strah me je :cry:
potem pa anglo in slovo....beda...jaz hočem da je že konec....ker se mi bo kratko rečeno zmešalo :cry:
***Ally***
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classy napisal/-a:A so na listkih tud podvprašanja? Npr. pr angli...a dobiš samo temo shopping, al maš tud povprašanja, kje kdaj, zakaj, kako, ...? Pa pr amti? A je samo tko kokr v knjigi z vprašanji, al še kej, da se ti pomaga spomnt, kaj morš sploh povedat?


Pri matematiki so samo vprašanja.

Pri angleščini pa smo mi dobili temo, npr. shopping, potem si ti nekaj povedal, potem pa je ona še vprašala nekaj...recimo "what do you think about...shopping malls" nekaj v tem smilsu.
Houd de wereld tegen
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sej maš ti pri tej temi kej časa da se mal pripraviš? al ne? :D
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jst mam jutr mato pa se šele dons začnem učit :D tko da tiste k mate u četrtek se nimaate kej sekirat k maste več kot dovol časa :wink: ....pa niti nism cgenij u mati k sm jo mela skos dve :oops:
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